Statement: “I don’t feel that there is someone [anyone] who has ‘changed their orientation’.” A leopard can’t change his spots. A person can’t change the color of his skin. A person can’t change their sexual orientation. Just as God could change the spots on the leopard, or the color of someone’s skin, He can also change the orientation of someone. But He doesn’t. He doesn’t need to. He created us just as we are. He loves us and I think it makes Him sad to see us trying to be who we aren’t.”
Response: Hello, Friend:
In reading your letter I noted that not one word of Scripture was quoted to authorize your position on homosexuality. Rather, you say:
“I think“, “I feel“, “the orientation scale”…?, “having feelings of orientation”, “true feelings of the gay spouse”, “marriage doesn’t change the feelings and orientation”, (no, Jesus does. See 2 Cor. 5:17), “honest about one’s sexual attractions“, “no cure for homosexuality because it is not an illness, nor do I believe that it is a sin”, “All the burdens of life felt like, and continue to feel like“, “I at last feel good about myself”, “the ‘human’ viewpoint and about life”, “I am happier than I have ever been in my life. I am happy“, “I don’t feel that there is someone who has changed their orientation”. “Truth is what our core being feels and is. “
But Truth is not based upon feeling. Many people die while hallucinating under the influence of drugs, etc., thinking that what they feel is reality and truth. Interestingly, the mind does not always need drugs to play tricks on us…, for it is carnal by nature since the fall of man.
It is written, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” (John 17:17) “…the Spirit is truth.” (1 John 5:6) And “…he will guide you into all truth.” (John 16:13) In other words, He (the Spirit) will guide us in our study of God’s word to discern and know all truth.”
We cannot trust “our core being feelings”, because as it is written, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.” (Jeremiah 17:9)
One commentator spoke very well to this issue when stating, “Many make a serious mistake in their religious life by keeping their attention fixed upon their feelings, thus judging of their advancement or decline. Feelings are not a safe guide. We are not to look within for evidence of our acceptance with God.” (6/05/1902, Words to Christians, Pacific Union Recorder)
The Pharisees of old “felt” no need of a Savior from sin. They “felt” righteous and thanked God they weren’t like someone else. Jesus Himself could do nothing for them in their lost condition, for they did not and would not recognize nor acknowledge their need. In frustration Jesus Himself had to say, “…I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” (Matthew 9:13) Again it is written, “They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” (Mark 2:17) This is, of course, referring to those who think themselves righteous, for again “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.” (Romans 3:10)
It is also written, “Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, …for them that defile themselves with mankind…” (the homosexual) (1Timothy 1:9,10)
If one is content with his life and behavior, Jesus Himself can do nothing. I try to follow His example. My ministry and my web site are for those who do recognize their need and want to walk in newness of life. And there are many. There is little time to get caught up in debate with those who are content, for the time demands are great in assisting those who do acknowledge their need. However, I am taking the time to address some of your comments, but time will not permit in depth discussion and debate.
You state that, “the Bible is less conclusive on the subject than most try to portray”.
But the Bible is very clear upon this subject, describing it in detail, both in the New as well as the Old Testaments. My question to you is this, “Do you know of any texts of Scripture that condone homosexuality in any terms whatsoever? that give you assurance of salvation in your homosexuality specifically?”
As a Seventh-day Adventist homosexual, you go on to say, “I also find that Ellen White never mentions this subject”.
Oh, but she does! She quotes 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 which clearly speaks of those ‘abusers of themselves with mankind’, and ‘effeminate’, (or catamites, or those who play the woman’s role in sexual behavior). Many translations just come right out and say “homosexuals” and “sodomites”, etc. The text speaks of victory over these sins. Then Ellen White comments, “It is a matter of rejoicing that some have subjected their will to the will of God, have cast off the works of darkness, and have consented to walk in the light as Christ is in the light. But even to these the testing of God will continue until probation ceases. He wants to determine whether we will endure hardness as good soldiers of Jesus Christ.” (ST 2/04/1897) Temptation, by the way, is not sin. Neither does it define one’s ‘orientation.’
Ellen White also has a lot to say about and against “self-abuse” – masturbation… which is a major behavior among homosexuals.
You stated, “I know that I believe in an all-powerful God. One who can and does work miracles everyday. I know the miracle He worked in my life was helping me to accept my sexuality as I was created and that it isn’t sinful or less of His perfection than if I were heterosexual.”
How can you know that to be a miracle of God rather than a deception of Satan? We are to “try the spirits whether they are of God”. (1 John 4:1) “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” (Isaiah 8:20)
Homosexual thoughts and behavior initially bring upon one a sense of guilt. Guilt is associated with sin. Guilt can eventually be drowned, or suppressed, as the Holy Spirit is grieved away. Children that are prone to homosexuality do not initially flaunt their feelings and emotions and behavior, but rather struggle with them. And not because of society, but because of the sense of guilt that comes from sin. Interestingly, I never felt any sense of guilt in having sex while married. Frustration? Yes! Because I was gay. But guilt? Never. Why? Because there was nothing wrong with my having sex within my marriage. And this understanding I have is confirmed in the Bible in Romans Chapter 1.
Another statement of yours, “Just as God could change the spots on the leopard, or the color of someone’s skin, He can also change the orientation of someone. But He doesn’t. He doesn’t need to. He created us just as we are. He loves us and I think it makes Him sad to see us trying to be who we aren’t.”
Who we aren’t is “Jesus Christ”. We are all sinners, we are not perfect. Yet, it is written, “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus.” “Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.” And on and on. The whole plan of salvation is about becoming what we are not. We are born with a bent towards evil, with a carnal nature not of God, totally focused upon self, since the fall of man in Eden. Jesus came to show us a better way and to lead us into it. He wants us to be born again and to walk in newness of life. The first birth we cannot choose. If any of us remain the way we were born, we are lost. We are to choose to be born again into the kingdom of God and His righteousness, denying self, dying to self, putting “the old man” to death, dying daily as we choose to follow Jesus against our nature.
You go on to say, “I don’t like the term ‘lifestyle’ because the gay person doesn’t have any different lifestyle than a straight person. Everyone sleeps, eats, works, pays bills, and basically the lives and the lifestyles are the same. Lifestyle is more appropriate for economic differences and comparisons than for sexual attractions.”
I respectfully disagree. Lifestyle involves much more than sleeping, eating, working, and paying bills. The gay lifestyle includes many things different from the Christian straight lifestyle: anilingus and anal intercourse, oral sex with same gender, masturbation, for example, just to name a few of the milder practices.
The straight Christian lifestyle ideally involves saving one’s self for a lifelong commitment sexually and otherwise to one and only one person, of the opposite gender as God intended with His creation. The gay lifestyle involves multiple sexual encounters and partners prior to commitment. And the incidence of honest monogamy among those involved in the gay lifestyle is very rare, if not totally non-existent. I would be very surprised if there is any such thing as a homosexual saving himself sexually for the one and only love of his life and consummating that love only after a public commitment before God and man.
There is much sexual experimentation and promiscuity within the gay lifestyle. There are many things other than sleeping, eating, working, and paying bills that define one’s lifestyle: the way one dresses, the right and left side in ears and pockets, the colors one chooses to wear, mannerisms, code words and actions, recreation and entertainment.
Sexual behavior is a part of a lifestyle. Gays tend to have sex outside of marriage and outside of commitment, recreational sex, far and away more than straights in general. It is not uncommon for a homosexual to have hundreds of sex partners within a lifetime. According to research, homosexual men are disproportionately vulnerable to a host of serious and sometimes fatal infections caused by the entry of feces into the bloodstream, i.e., hepatitis B, shigellosis and Giardia lamblia, known as the ‘Gay Bowel Syndrome’, amebiasis, campylobacteriosis, and anorectal infections with Neisseria gonorrhoeae, Chlamydia trachomatis, Treponema pallidum, herpes simplex virus, and human papilloma viruses, and AIDS. I could go on with paragraphs. The gay lifestyle results also in a life expectancy 20 to 30 years lower than that of straights. It’s because of lifestyle.
What one chooses as entertainment is a part of lifestyle: music, television, plays, movies, restaurants, theaters, beaches, clubs, resorts, etc. The gay lifestyle incorporates largely, gay bars, gay resorts, gay restaurants, gay beaches, gay churches, gay organizations such as SDA Kinship, gay cruises, gay parades, gay nights at amusement parks. “Gayness”, homosexuality, is flaunted and celebrated. Lifestyle is a very appropriate term, and I make no apologies for using it.
You referred to someone who failed in his “change ministry” as well as personally, which I agree is a sad testimony of an EX-Gay or of a ministry assisting in this area. But since when do we allow one man’s failure to discredit the word of God, the work of God, and the power of God? This person had nothing to do with my conversion. I went to the Word of God, to my knees, to the Holy Spirit, and found deliverance and victory that no one can refute. I walked away by God’s all-sufficient grace, His divine power and intervention, and never turned back.
You stated, “I have yet to meet anyone who can honestly say they have actually CHANGED their orientation.”
Well, you have met me. And I am one of thousands who have done the same.
Let me explain something about orientation. I used to be a pilot. I have flown my plane in crosswinds, headwinds, and violent storms. Yet, by God’s grace, I always made it safely to my destination. You see? I did not allow the cross wind to determine my orientation, neither the head wind, nor the violent storm. My orientation was my chosen charted course. I made whatever adjustments necessary to stay on course. Homosexual temptation is like that cross wind or head wind or violent storm sometimes. It is the course that the enemy has charted for my life in order to lead me to a crash landing and eternal destruction. The crosswind of temptation does not define my orientation, neither is it sin. Temptation simply reveals the will of the enemy of souls. Jesus was tempted in all points like as we are, yet without sin. And who would dare say that His orientation was homosexual, or bisexual, or towards sexual addiction, etc.?!
Satan knows every circumstance of our family and personal history. And he custom makes his plan for each of our lives. It does not matter what sin he is successful in leading us into, the final wages of all is death. That is his goal for your life, Friend, and mine. But I have cooperated with God and changed my orientation. I have charted a new course for myself, and by God’s grace I will stay on that course. For it is written, “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.” (Philippians 1:6) And, “It is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:13)
Sorry for the epistle, but I do “feel” passionate about my new found walk with the Lord and His miracle working in my life over the past 14 years.
Let me just leave you with this thought, for all God’s biddings are enablings, and there is power in the Word: “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
In other words, “The old nature, born of blood and the will of the flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God. The old ways, the hereditary tendencies, the former habits, must be given up; for grace is not inherited. The new birth consists in having new motives, new tastes, new tendencies. …A genuine conversion changes hereditary and cultivated tendencies, to wrong. …[God] requires the whole heart. No part of it is to be reserved for the development of hereditary or cultivated tendencies to evil.”
Homosexuality by description is listed in the Bible as evil, an abomination, along with many other abominations. It can be renounced, and it can be overcome.
This article is by Victor J. Adamson